Gym Movement: Karate Do or Karate Don’t

by adam on July 15, 2010

“Daniel-san, must talk. Walk on road, hmm? Walk left side — safe. Walk right side — safe. Walk middle — sooner or later, get squish just like grape.”

“White Lining” is a term bikers use for driving down the center lane of a road, which allows them to pass between two cars driving parallel. This is something which is fun for the crazy riders, and gets people killed each year doing it. Stay in the middle and it only becomes a matter of time before you will be crushed.

I have an opinion on everything. I don’t care who likes it or who doesn’t. I do not care if someone thinks I am entitled to my opinion either.

So part of my personality is a severe dislike for those who refuse to choose. Just as its a person’s choice to be a fence sitter, it is my choice to dislike them for doing so.

Concerning fitness – specifically a number of emails, calls, facebook messages, tweets, and text messages – I am going to fill you ladies and gentlemen on some shit. There is no need to reconcile Gym Movement with any other training system in the world. It is complete by design which is based 100% on YOUR DESIGN. If you are a human being reading this page – there is some shit you need to know.

#1 Everything is movement. All movement can be tested. Gym Movement is about using the fewest tools to do the most things. Everyone else is trying to put another tool in your shed, we are here to help you clean up your garage.

#2 Excessive tension will fuck you up. The elements of effort will fuck you up. Failing to listen to this simple marker will harm you. Wondering about that? Test it. I post an article saying stop using excessive tension and next comes a whole series of articles from other people regarding tension…I see you people can be lead and can be taught. Very good.

#3 Set in stone programming attempts to predict poundages in the future on a template, and “Do this” programming offers medicore gains on good days and will break you on the bad ones. Are  you dedicated to this style of programming and want to prove I’m wrong? Test it. Working for 12 weeks on a complicated schedule to net a 9-15lbs increase on a lift is not very impressive progress.  Especially if the cost is back sliding on all you other goals and picking up pain and injury. We offer an alternative.

#4 There is no such thing as perfect form and people do not need to be cued and blasted to move the way you think they should. Additionally, if someone else is trying to get you to move the way they think you should, this can cause some serious problems. What should determine how you move? Physics and body structure. Have you ever been hurt being cued by a trainer? I have.

I have been cued by an corrective exercise specialist whose cues directly put me in extreme pain while nit picking a simple exercise. Twice. The person who I worked with did not want to cause me pain. This person does not want to hurt anyone. But this person was (and is) locked into a belief that my movements are supposed to look a certain way. This was based off of a check list –  not off of my bodies needs. So in an effort to make a simple movement look “tighter” and get me doing it “perfectly,” an older back injury caused me days of pain.

This was not a new movement. This was something I often did and the goal was to make me “do it the right way” which of course fucked my shit up real bad. This occurred at an event where many people saw how much I was hurting.  We all can agree that good intention, no matter how good, can’t make a bad movement effective. We should look to how that person responds and meet them where they are at.

This is exactly what we do with the Gym Movement Protocol. Wondering about how that works? Put it to the test.

So what is good form? The form which tests better for you at that given moment. Flexed lumbar deadlifting has helped Brad Nelson of RadBootcamp.com address chronic postural issues which he has had all of his adult life. On his blog he has posted the X Rays of his back, with his 6 lumbar vertebra. Brad has spent a life time lifting with “perfect form” and is a senior instructor in a fitness organization. The prescribed drills of that system hurt him to the point where he switched to nearly all body weight training because lifting Kettlebells hurt him.

He has fixed himself to a large degree this year. Lifting with a rounded back: what some would automatically call “bad” or “dangerous” form- but form which tested well has both increased his sport performance and resolved pain. Sounds like perfect form is a crap shoot at best. Curious about this? Go test it

#5 There is no absolute need for corrective exercise strategy if you are doing movements which test well for you. I am a CK-FMS and I have screened hundreds of people. Here are some things which are very important  to understand as you explore this entire exercise system-

  • Asymmetry in the body is perfectly natural and is most likely a trait of the body which represents efficiency. You have a dominant: everything. One eye works better, one ear works better, one hand…so on and so forth. Ask a PT and they will tell you 10-15% variation is expected everywhere in the body from bone structure to movement. Mike T Nelson has posted a lot of information on the topic of corrective exercise programs on his blog. Chasing symmetry is a never ending battle.
  • No particular movement is 100% effective all the time as nothing is automatically “good” or “bad.” The more functional question is: Does this make a person better or worse right now?
  • The concept of “dysfunctional” is based around the idea of how things should look, not on how they should perform. To this end it can be argued by a corrective system that Kobe Bryant is a dysfunctional athlete even though he is one of the most dominating players ever…We say Function and Performance are the same thing. A high performing athlete is functional by definition. If you are a powerlifter, you rate your performance by pounds on the bar not how well your shoulders move through non-specific patterns. If you run marathons, your training should decrease run times. Most people are exercising to reach a goal or outcome, not simply exercising to do it. So if someone wants to lose body fat, we help them lose fat as safely and quickly as possible. Maybe one day they will want to move better but first me meet them at their goal not tell them how it should be.
  • What I will agree with is this- there are things with a person which need to be addressed. With testing and The Movement Model you will address these issues. If you are not able to do this, you can contact me, Frankie, or one of our coaches. We are here to help.

#6 General warm ups, “Neural warm ups,” Foam rolling, and “Dynamic Joint Mobility” are not required, and possibly have negative impact on you- this can all be tested. Tying in to the above bullet point- a given movement makes you better or worse. At best these practices can give moderate gains, often temporary. On average many of these practices waste time, time which is better spent doing things which bring you closer to your goals. At worse you can be injured. From a trainer’s point of view- when someone tells me they want me to train them, it is because they want to lose weight/gain muscle. Doing 20 minutes of nonspecific work when they are paying for the time is bad practice. Wondering about this? Test it. I can promise you this, no one will ever call me and tell me they are prepared to pay hundreds of dollars to do closed chain flat foot inversions at multiple speeds while having perfect control. I do not waste people’s time, I get results. I do not need to foam roll you or stretch you at the end of the day because I do not hurt you during your exercise time.

#7 Your eyes are in front of your head facing outward. Focusing on internal muscle contractions and how joints are moving when no pain is associated is counter productive and a blue print to harm yourself. What should you be focused on? The objective or outcome of a movement. Your body is already equipped with an extremely advanced warning device- its called pain. If you are not in pain as you move, and you do not experience excessive tension, why would you focus on muscle contraction or joint movements? When I walk to my car I do not strive for sensation of my feet, ankle, knee, hip, spine, and shoulders as they move, I am trying to get to my fucking car. I am looking for traffic on the move and crack addicts who may want to rob me. What makes moving a weight different?

#8 There is no magic movement, no perfect tool, and no one size fits all solution for fitness. There are a lot of ways to do this whole exercise thing. What they all have in common is movement. All movement can be tested, which means the only thing you need to ask is does this test well for me.

I have made exceptional gains in my strength and tissue density by bending steel objects over the last few years. Anyone who has even touched the tissue in my chest or forearms has asked how I got it to feel the way it does. Does this mean the solution for thick strong connective tissue is to bend steel? Is that the perfect solution for everyone? No, it is a solution for the tiniest chunk of the population.

Are barbell squats mandatory for strength? No, in fact, a huge chunk of the adult population will never be able to squat for shit due to a lot of factors. Does that mean they should give up dreams of strength and physique transformation? Nope, it just means they need to do something different.

To this end there is no reason why you should think you are supposed to deadlift, beat up tires with hammers, do muscle ups, do swings, snatch a KB for ten minute sets, or swing little bowling pins around…you need to do things which are good for your goals and good for your body. I will not think less of you for doing that. In my opinion, you are not a better person because you can deadlift 500lbs, or mouth rape Fran in 2 minutes, or run a mile in under 6 minutes…or any shit. I am impressed by the people who are going out and handling their business. Whatever that means to you…

#9 You (some of you) have a brain and have the ability to think for yourself. More importantly you have a body which is already giving you billions of pieces of information which allow you to operate it. The idea that someone else is more qualified to run your body over you should bother you. Being told to “shut up and color” should bother you…well it least it bothers me. Being told you are wrong and someone else is always right should bother you.

No one is qualified to run my shit and a 1-5 day course of exercise and systems does not give them leverage to declare themselves competent. Titles and ranks are fun for organizational games and determining who gets to sit at the head of the dinner table, but it does not mean anyone is capable of running your body for you.

So here are you options- listen to others, or listen to yourself. Hard to do both at once. One method is to allow someone else to pretend they know best for you and tell you what to be, the other method is you lead yourself and follow your bodies feedback. I honestly do not care what the fuck you do, but make sure you note the bottom quote….

“Follow anything other than your body and you will break your body.

-Frankie Faires, Gym Movement creator

This is really the core of why we are doing what we are doing. The fact that so many people in the world are frustrated with their progress is of minor importance compared to vast number of people harming themselves daily because they are square pegs trying to shove themselves in to round holes.

Pavel and I used to talk about my deadlifting program every few months. One thing he pointed out several times was how I am not built to pull, and how an older spinal injury would always slow me down. This was prior to my knowledge of testing protocol.

I would flip through books and magazines which all featured articles by authors who told me “You must do this” and I thought- well that guy is more qualified than I am because he is in the magazine. My deadlift progress was steady – but slow and marked by injury through out the years. My best pull was 2.75 BW, and left me sore for weeks afterwards. The problem here, I was consulting with one person to get the opinion of another person’s opinion all the while ignoring the most important person: myself.

I would work on correctional strategies, I would work on CNS based joint mobility programs, I did muscle confusion, I did isometrics, I did high volume, I did single sets, I did single reps, I did sets of 5×5. I would do all kinds of shit. two steps forward, three steps back, 4 steps forward, 2 steps back…and I thought that was ok to do. I told  you, the reader of this page, how my progress was going. I wrote articles, I did posts on message boards, I trained others.

Since I have abandoned set schedules, programming templates, excessive tension, and set in stone beliefs on how things should be- I have made incredible progress. I am stronger, leaner, denser, faster, my endurance is the best its ever been, my movement is the best its ever been.

I do not always get to do what I want to do- but everyday is marked with progress which is absolutely measureable and quantifiable. This makes me happy. Not being able to bend steel 4 days a week may sound like a problem for a person who loves to bend steel, but being better every time I do it- with no pain is pretty sweet.

I refuse to ignore my own feedback just to meet the requirements of a piece of paper or screen of text on what one person thinks is a path to a goal. The people I train now operate the same way- guided by their own feedback. I exist to them to offer suggestions, recommendations, and expand their education. I do not tell anyone what to do other than, “Test it for yourself and make your own call.”

When I was a boy, I used to love watching movies on VHS cassette tapes. As a teen I loved to watch movies on DVDs. As an adult I enjoy watching movies on BlueRay. As an old man, who knows? Holograms maybe? The point is when new technology emerges I look forward to using it to improving my life. This is the way of the world: when something better comes along, you discard the old shit and use the new shit. I don’t see a lot of Model-T Fords driving along at a blazing 25 MPH these days on 394 when I make my way to downtown Minneapolis….

So to this end, I have something better than what I used to. When I first started training as a dumbass kid, I lifted the way I saw other people at the gym lift. Later I learned the “right way to train” by reading books like “Dinosaur training” and “Rock, Iron, Steel” which told me to work my dick in to the ground and everything is about “Do or Die.” Later on I learned the RKC method of training. Later I learned about Z health. Later I learned about CK-FMS. Later I learned Gym Movement.  Later, I will learn about something else, something better.  Hell, I may even discover it.

The key is not “what you do” to get better, it is “how you do it” We are the science of better. We are where all of the floating concepts can be associated or thrown away.

So it’s easy. Put it to the test. What do you have to lose? Most people I am observing are making such shitty progress day to day, why are they afraid to do something different? Do you train with Kettlebells? Do you still struggle to press the 32kg bell? Have you not heard comrade that you are not considered a man until you do? I guess you’re not a man yet, because you’re still struggling with it. Why are you so worried to try something different?

We are not going away. We are not leaving. We are expanding daily. So many people have been spending time writing about me, about Frankie, about Gym Movement, claiming this stuff does not work. So now I would like to address my critics. I figure it would be fair to do the same every now and again.

Obviously you want more of my attention, now you will get it.

I have been emailed and I have read this on message boards and blogs: my marketing is aggressive and rude. What do I do about these criticisms?  I consider the source.

Here is something to think about. If you know something is bad, would you tell anyone else to do it? If you would, you are not someone I want to be around.

If my statements and actions repulse you, that is called – a good thing. Don’t think that is a one way street, because I am not impressed with your bullshit either. At the “advanced” level II course last year, most of the class showed up with what the instructors called “very poor form” but is that accurate? What the class showed up with was exactly how they run their shit at home. Consider whatever they called a swing was what they were teaching to their classes and clients to get them results.

So when I am in a class where 60 of the 80 people fail a course, I have to question who is right and who is wrong. All you folks from level II, your ass is not off the hook here either. Most of the cert attendees in my level II class would bitch to me in a corner how they disagreed with the use of tension or the test for a given movement, or how it was graded yet they still endorsed the actions, still endorse the training, still endorse all of it, yet you personally do not train that way.

How the fuck does that all work when you call yourself a trainer for a given system yet you do not train that way yourself?

Some of the people in the class failed their jerk because they lifted their heels, which was a course no go. 8 of you bitched to me about how you attended a workshop with the AKC head coach who taught you to do that. When you failed your test you dropped their chins and went home empty handed. When I reviewed your youtube page, I see jerks with heel lift. So obviously you still do it, but you won’t stand up and call it correct? Hmmm.

Additionally a number of the level II candidates in the June 2009 class failed their press test, which of course means no title that day. The test is a 1/2 BW one arm press…but technically that is only up to 106lbs as that is the heaviest KB. Just for shits and giggles I did press over 1/2 BW that weekend with a 56kg stacked press because I said I could do it and I was asked to show it. Now an interesting question came up than, and I will ask it again. Could all of the instructors and assistant instructors press 1/2 BW that weekend? Of course not.

A few of you who were there could not press 40% of your BW, even if a gun was held to your head. If the training model is not working to produce instructors who can match course requirements, it must give one a moment to reflect- why? It is because their shoulders hurt. Their shit was hurting because of too much tension. They all told me they could press this bell or that bell, but 1/2 BW eluded them- easy association to me of too much tension.

Yet that weekend, like many other weekends before and after them they cued people to get tighter. Squeeze harder. Breath harder. Try harder. Is harder really the answer?……by the way I know a few of you still can’t press 1/2 BW and that is perfectly fine too.

The difference between all of you and I, is I do not endorse shit I do not do. So if I am endorsing high tension training, its because I do it. If I say its not what I do then I will not recommend it to anyone else.

I don’t give two shits who likes me or does not. If you do not care for me because I no longer snap my hips on my snatches or because I do not train the way you do, or whatever…well it’s hard for me to find even a gram of “give a fuck.” I am here to be better. That is all…except for the personal attacks which are becoming all the more common directed at me. I have only taken stance against practices, you want to talk about me personally.

Here we go. Search my page top to bottom and you will not find personal attacks against any of my former colleagues or instructors prior to this above post. Search their pages, their message boards, their blogs and see what they have to say about me.

I am here to talk about results, you want to talk about “ethics” and systems. You want to talk about what I should be doing, or that I am a fucking bad guy for introducing game changing information which is improving peoples lives?  You are fucking cowards.  You consulted with me all the way in to April then turn and call me Judas for being better and moving on to new models. You have meetings about me. You exchange emails about me. Know for a fact the message always comes back to me. It is time for me to share some more insights to guide your next meetings where the topic of Adam Glass comes up. So here they are in order:

Your message boards find my name there weekly even though I left it in the beginning of Feb in a very quiet way and did not return to post again. What other people have posted and continue to post is all their shit – address them if it’s a problem. I do not blog, tweet or FB fuck with you personally.  Know that every post where you attack me just pulls me more traffic, more followers, more talk.

Keep pointing your people to me. Your community draws to me no matter what I do because I am the one who is always moving forward. Even tonight as I write this I find posts in which people direct others to me. They say “I dont like him but he is one who can do this or that.” Based on results, people will always come to those who move forward, people who move fast, people who go far.

Remember, I am the one who is not always right. I am the one who is not professional. I don’t have to play pretend military because I did spend a decade of my life doing the real shit. I don’t have to kiss anyone’s ass and I do not ever expect others to do it for me. I am not a guru, I am a science experiment. I am the one who doesn’t give a fuck.

I love the fun and games of marketing, but when it gets personal you must understand I don’t have to protect a reputation because I have always been known as an asshole. A strong asshole who helps everyone out when they ask and who puts out great training information.

Most of you are assholes, too, but you try to hide it. You would not care for me to get specific in my comments and share the dumb shit you have all said to me on the phone, in emails, and in person. It would surely damage your “good” names.

People will keep watching me no matter what i do because they won’t turn away from the freak show and they all want to get better. If this was a dodgeball match I would feel like I am playing against kids.

Play smart, play nice, or don’t play at all…

{ 59 comments }

Niclas Hansson July 15, 2010 at 11:56 pm

Hi Adam,

A very inspirational and provocing post, I like it! :)
I have been lifting for 5+ years with barbells, dumbells and now kettlebells, which I love. All I hear from others (professionals) is “grab the barbell harder, stiffen up and tense your body” and all it has done for me is to give me injuries and hurting shoulders, legs, back and arms.
The problem is, I don’t know how to release the tension, to let go and loosen up.
I do like “everyone else”. I go to a massage therapist and I foam roll and do dynamic stretching to keep the pain at bay.

I got a cortisone injection in my AC-joint about 4 weeks ago and have been trying to rehab my right shoulder for 2 weeks now (by recommendations from a physical therapist) and it feels better, but far from good.

I really hope I too can quit my stubborness and LEARN to move the right way FOR ME…

Thanks Adam, for provocing me and everything I have learned and previously believed in. I’m putting it to the test more and more.

Greetings from Southern Sweden,
Niclas

Christian July 16, 2010 at 12:46 am

But if it works for everyone else then it should work for me ;-) .

Kris Wragg July 16, 2010 at 6:41 am

If this stuff doesn’t work then why do they care so much? Why not just let Gym Movement fail epically in peace?

At the end of the day nobody is forcing them to try this, or to make them give a shit. I think some people just assume that everyone should have some sort of loyalty… but fuck that!

The only thing I care about is getting a better body, getting stronger and having no pain… whatever gives me the best results for those goals is what I will do, it’s as simple as that.

Boris Bachmann July 16, 2010 at 8:28 am

WELL! That is certainly a whopper of a post!

Matt July 16, 2010 at 8:34 am

Adam,

As someone who has dabbled in the “high tension” way of doing things for a few years, I find this post tremendously helpful and has definitely given me the kick I need to finally try something different.

I’ve tried the path a 1/2 BW press, SSST, etc. and continually get derailed with minor to moderate shoulder injuries and seemingly unbreakable plateaus. My background is in law enforcement and I’m looking to apply for a federal position soon. With that in mind, I have two questions with respect to the GM approach:

1) I have a hard time wrapping my head around the issue of form. I see what you’re saying about do what works well for your body, but would that assume a base level of knowledge and/or fitness? You have the experience and strength to know what works well for you – could some beginner *think* something tests well and really just be completely ignorant and end up hurting themselves worse than if they had followed a regimented form?

2) How could I apply GM if I have a specific goal of a certain score on a PFT (basically the USMC PFT)? If I’ve got 8 months to train and I need to hit certain numbers on pushups, pullups, running, etc? How do I build the specific ability to get the target reps?

If both of these questions are answered in the DVD or have been answered elsewhere then just say so or someone post a link. I’ve searched around but haven’t been able to figure these two points out yet.

I think I may be someone who actually does have something to lose when it comes to switching programs. I’ve trained for and done well on PFTs before, so I know that I *can* pass and do well with my current program. I also know that I’m perpetually tired, exhausted, in pain and ripe for injury. If GM turns out to be a complete failure for me, I’ve actually lost the time I could have spent progressing with a more conventional program, however slow and painful it is.

Thanks again for your no-BS approach – it’s refreshing.

david July 16, 2010 at 9:48 am

Matt, a PFT is simply a type of competition. Almost all of us are competing in some respect and with more than respectable results.

I would simply pick up a copy of Grip & Rip (if available) and use that as your starting point. If you need some lines colored in, Adam or one of the other coaches will be happy to help.

Tomas July 16, 2010 at 9:14 am

Adam, you’ll be victorious. No, scratch that; you already are!

I enjoyed this long, blunt post.

Demond Thompson July 16, 2010 at 9:43 am

Wow!! Obviously someone struck a nerve! I don’t always agree with what (or how) you say some things, however, I do respect that you’re telling the truth from your perspective. Because of that, I am part of the movement and am willing to show others so they can get the results I have.

Thank you!

Samantha July 16, 2010 at 9:57 am

Greatness !
I too have been injured by my fair share of “experts” in their field.
I guess I am one as well having graduated with a degree in Nutrition and Kinesiology. I instinctively live by chaos theory, but 20 yrs ago you sure could not train that way.
Bravo to you and the Gym Movement! May you prosper and thrive!

Dave Sandel July 16, 2010 at 10:15 am

WOW! That was, BY FAR, the most epic thing I have read on the internet in YEARS (and trust me, for those of you that don’t know me, I’m an absolute geek)!! I had chills from start to finish. Best line of the whole thing: “I am the one that does not give a fuck.”

Not that you care, or that you need it, but I will be promoting the shit out of this post.

Even if people aren’t in the fitness industry, it relates to damn near every aspect of life: Work, personal, professional, etc. God damn, I feel like I need to go lift something heavy right now. Brb….

david July 16, 2010 at 10:20 am

I suspect I will be re-reading this post daily for a while.

josh July 16, 2010 at 11:54 am

yep.

Mathieu Duchesneau July 16, 2010 at 1:09 pm

ditto.

Tim Stovall July 17, 2010 at 4:08 am

Who needs self-help mumbo jumbo and daily inspirational sayings? We just need for Adam to get pissed every now and then so he can vent another masterpiece! This shit is awesome!

Chris Smith July 16, 2010 at 10:28 am

Bravo man. That’s all I can say.

Mike T Nelson July 16, 2010 at 10:31 am

Great stuff as always Ahole Adam! hahaha.

It reminds me of this quote

“All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident.”

I find it so amazing that new information can be so threatening.

I get asked all the time, “why are you doing this or that, why are you not teaching for this or that company/system?”

Simple–I can’t teach something I don’t do. I can’t tell you static stretching (or whatever method) is the greatest thing ever since it isn’t and I don’t use it.

This does not mean I don’t change based on new information though.

Results first.

The Revolution is coming

Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)
http://www.ExtremeHumanPerformance.com

Megan Kruger July 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm

You once said to me that a revolutionary does what he does because he must.
People admire leadership and heroics, and some talk about how they want to lead and impact lives. Many people want to do things better and constantly improve (in fitness and in life), but few people are prepared to pay the cost.
You inspire people Adam because you get results, because you move forward in all aspects of your life. You do it in part, because you have the strength and the drive that most people only wish they had.
What will come of this post? More talk. More bs. More silly kids asking the wrong questions. And perhaps, a few people will take a serious look at the way they do things and ask themselves what do I need to change, how can I move farther faster?
Your influence in my life has lead me to ask those questions everyday, and for that I am grateful.

Brad Johnson July 16, 2010 at 2:24 pm

Damn, dude. Shit’s hardcore.

Keep on telling it like it is.

Mathieu Duchesneau July 16, 2010 at 2:37 pm

Fuck you Adam. Fuck you for writing something so good. (Note – I rarely swear – online, that is-, but yeah.)

Each of the last couple of times you answered my questions, and now with this post, you’re making me doubt more and more my current Martial Arts practice. I feel like that stubborn kid who can’t stick something in his thick little head.

On a related note, I’ll have to have a chat with Frankie.

When I came upon the word “Loyalty” is where it struck me. Not that I’m loyal in any kind of excess, but still, I do feel that what’s keeping me bound together is something close to that. I also have the nagging issue that stopping before getting to the black belt would feel like a failure. Especially since I’m currently close to an important milestone towards that goal.

That’s not mentioning the general feeling of loyalty towards the group of people whom I train with in a regular fashion. I can easily imagine this as part of the issue with your detractors; however that’s as far as I’ll get into speculating on them, since I haven’t read or heard anything they’ve said. From what I understand, I haven’t missed much.

Anyway. In light of this, all that matters is to ever move forward and constantly make progress. Unless I’m ever proved wrong, under that motto shall I always take action.

I am the Movement, and you guys all rock.

Mathieu

Joseph Reynolds July 16, 2010 at 2:50 pm

Holy shit! Good thing I didn’t get that RKC tattoo… :)

Juan July 16, 2010 at 3:07 pm

Adam, your points are very well made. What I liked, too, was that it wasn’t an asshole-ish post in the end, but considering the personal nature of it, rather classy.

I am getting better on account of The Movement.

Kevin Greto July 16, 2010 at 3:31 pm

I’m Proud to be part of The Movement, Mr Asshole, I look forward to your invention of a better training protocol. I’ll gladly test out that one too.
ps: I recently watched Gym Movements: volume 1, it’s a lot less boring after you’ve immersed yourself into the training protocol, haha. It’s also cool to see the developments made in the protocol since then.

david July 16, 2010 at 4:17 pm

Kevin, interesting is that everything was in there isn’t it? The only problem with the GM Volume 1 DVD is that the dots weren’t put close enough together for most people to connect them.

Piers McCarney July 20, 2010 at 11:40 pm

It’s funny, I am glad I bought Grip ‘N Rip 2.1 but it’s true what you say, Dave, GM Vol.1 gets underestimated due to presentation and curt expression.
GNR is awesome, but GM is the DVD that changed my life.

Tim Stovall July 16, 2010 at 4:09 pm

Never stop telling it how it is Adam! If everyone were an asshole like you(not my personal opinion), the world would be a much better place! I am still trying to wrap my head around some of the concepts, but I am a very open-minded person.I am still not totally sensitive as to where tension is starting during my testing.
If GM doesn’t work as great for me as it does for you, what have I really lost? I’ll answer my own question. NOTHING, but pain and the possibility of injury.
I too am part of The Movement. Rock on and keep kicking ass Adam! It has been my honor and privilege to have been fortunate enough to have found you and GM!

david July 16, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Tim, for what it’s worth I have yet to hear of anyone who has picked up an injury while using GM vs. most people who are resolving old injuries. Adam and I were just talking the other night about how I haven’t missed a training day for injury in 6 months, Adam longer.

Tim Stovall July 16, 2010 at 7:27 pm

Let me clarify what I meant.
I was referring to the cookie-cutter programs I used to blindly follow which always left me stiff and sore and which typically resulted in an injury if I didn’t back off.
Thanks for setting me straight though.

Ryan J Pitts July 16, 2010 at 9:12 pm

There it is guys. The movement is YOU. It is US. It’s people who train for a purpose, or have a purpose to train. If you want to be a part of a club or system, enjoy, just don’t tell people it’s the only way. The Movement is not the only way, it just IS. It just gets results. It just does what your body wants to do. It’s not a system. Great title on this one Adam-san. During my journey to a tae-kwon-do black belt. There was a system. No matter if it hurt you or not, that’s how it was. Guys and gals getting hip replacements. Stretch more! It hurts, -More! Students walking like cripples, yeah, that’s cool. Leaders shouldn’t hurt students. Ignorance is a choice. Chances are if your following a system, it will fail you. Great thing is you can follow a system and plug into the movement, and get better. Only if you want to. And if a person doesn’t want to get better, or chooses to be ignorant, than so be it. I’m not following Adam or Frankie. They don’t want to be followed. They want you to follow yourself!

Isabel July 16, 2010 at 11:41 pm

Damn, am totally awed by that post as it relates to life in general. Remember when you first met me and asked if I was doing the best I could and I said yes? I lied, because I gave a fuck what people thought of “how well” I was doing. Now I can honestly say I’m doing the best I can & have felt better than I have in years because I’m doing stuff I never would have thought to try previous to meeting you (& Dave) & instead of focusing on what I haven’t done, I’m focusing on what I am doing. Rock the Fuck on Man!

Christopher July 17, 2010 at 3:47 pm

The point that I think stands out the most is perhaps the subtlest- there haven’t been names, attacks or anything on any of the other groups adam (or josh) has been associated with in the past. Disagreement over training, an explanation of why they think GM is better, and yes, direct contrast to said associations, but again, I’ve not seen names, or bitter attacks on anyone- and the very few times I checked some other blogs, not GM associated, they were there. That to me says volumes about integrity, and who I’d rather debate training with, or GM in general (I don’t have much to debate at the moment- I know where my knowledge base is- I do have questions at times though).

I will say that to me, to a certain extent, GM is a ‘doh!’ kind of ah-hah experience (that’s said with respect). I say that from the stand point of someone getting into a lot of thought and study about the martial art I train. Maybe it’s my teacher, but we talk about quality of a movement, and characteristics and elements of the movement you need to have, but that due to life, etc, we are all going to get to those characteristics a little differently.

It’s also funny to me, that people are bitching about Adam’s take on excessive tension. I seem to recall in a couple of books I have and appreciate, some actual wisdom about not training to failure, and that there is appropriate, or perhaps necessary tension (levels of which are debateable), but that excessive tension- having to force through a movement- is the starting point of failure. There’s a lot of congruent info (to me, the novice), that makes what I’ve seen seem like a giant pissing match (excuse the term) coming mostly from one side (I don’t read any forums, just have come across some blog posts, so I don’t know what is going on at the boards, nor do I care). It’s too bad it seems like that, since there’s a wealth of information and experience that could be debated and shared all around. We could all learn from an open, hard debate, or so I think.

adam July 17, 2010 at 10:35 pm

I appeciate every comment here- keep this in mind: You are the one who needs to choose things for yourself and lead yourself. if you are someone who wants to be told what to do- that is fine for you but not for me. I am looking for the alphas, the pack leaders. I am looking for the misfits, the ones who dont fit in. I am looking for the freaks and geeks. I am looking for the people who do things their way.

This Movement is about self improvement, community improvement and finally global improvement. Read the first one again- Self. How will someone learn to make others better if they can not make themselves better? How will they lead anyone else if they can’t lead themself? How will they teach others to lead themself if they are stuck following

Followership is a critical value- IF you are following someone who will put you in power when the time comes. If you are loyal to someone who is not loyal to their body, loyal to their mind- why would you think they will ever take care of you?

I will lead you by example, but you are on your own to make up your mind. I will provide the information, but you must decide to use it or simply debate it. I will show you the path, but you must walk it. Do not expect me to wait for you, do not ask me to carry you, do not expect me to come back for you. Nature is not fair…and we should be natural.

Its all survival of the fittest– The smartest, most clever, the strongest will keep going. Choose to keep going. Get smarter. Get clever. Get strong.

Brad Johnson July 19, 2010 at 6:58 pm

Adam, these ideas sound very similar to the ones I’ve been playing with the last couple of months.

I’m starting to see personal strength improvement as a tiny, tiny lead-in to further development. This is a brilliant, unavoidable, dangerous concept: the application of science in people’s everyday lives.

Using biofeedback testing in training only exposes people to the concept of intellectual independence and the irrelevance of what we are told by others. When people start to question everything else, the world will change.

It begins when people accept a very simple concept:

I am not helpless.

Ron Hekier July 18, 2010 at 12:26 pm

I can’t tell you what works, but I can comment on what worked for me.
Fitness wise I’ve tried a lot of stuff in the past from the gurus; P90x, various fitness mags, online sites, etc.
Somehow over time my left shoulder was tweaked to the point I couldn’t life my left arm over my head without a sharp twinge of pain. Not severe, but significant enough that I couldn’t do many exercise movements or for that matter movements of daily activity such as taking off a shirt, without some pain.

Being in the medical field (I am a surgeon) I sought a mechanical reason for my pain. I seemed to have a classic “shoulder impingement syndrome” and was contemplating one of the following : (1) cortisone injections and eventual surgery or (2) skip the surgery and simply accept the fact that my shoulder mobility would be limited for the rest of my life and limit my exercise movements such as to avoid many overhead movements.

Enter Gym Movement and a new approach to working out. Within just a couple of months my shoulder pain has completely disappeared while continuing to exercise. My left shoulder is weaker than my right due to the several months of disuse, but it is pain free.

I don’t mind people trying Crossfit, P90X, KB exercise with strict form, etc. Find what works for you. I personally think many of those types of systems lead to a higher chance of injury. I have no data to support that, it’s just a hunch.

For me, the Gym Movement protocol provides a way to improve my fitness in very important ways:
1) Consistently over time.
2) Objectively with data.
3) In an injury free fashion.
4) Most importantly, it is fun.

david July 18, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Actually, you do have data to support that association. It is a sample of 1, but it is the most accurate sample possible in relation to you.

Kevin Greto July 18, 2010 at 3:51 pm

The main reason I’m sticking with Gym Movements, is because it is literally the most fun I’ve had exercising in a while. The results are awesome too, but if it wasn’t so enjoyable, so much of an engaging experiment to me, I probably would have dropped it for something I enjoy more.
It’s simple, It’s smart, It’s effective; can’t beat it.
Btw, I did have a good amount of fun “stirring up some trouble” with Tony Horton.

Ron July 18, 2010 at 9:29 pm

Dave,
You are correct. A sample size of n=1 is powerful enough to draw a conclusion :)

Kevin,
It may be a while until we can scientifically measure this, but perhaps the feeling of “fun” is our body telling us: “what you are doing is good. Please do it again.”
I had many discussions with Dave in the early days before the DVD came out about GM, and remember often telling him that the more I think about GM, the more it makes sense from a biological/evolutionary standpoint.

A) You do something that is good for your body in the immediate setting and in the long term.
B) Your body rewards you with positive feedback in a physical and/or mental realm.

Corollary

A) You do something that is bad/maladaptive for your body.
B) Your body will punish you by presenting you with a stimulus to prevent similar behavior in the future, e.g. physical pain or mental distress.

P90X was only fun when it was over, not during the routines. Similar to poking a stick in your eye or holding your arm over an open flame. It’s fun when it is over and your mind and body reward you for not doing it anymore.

GM is fun while you are doing it, and after.

Joseph Reynolds July 18, 2010 at 5:26 pm

I added fifty frickin’ pounds to my deadlift the other day! FIFTY POUNDS! I used to go through a month long cycle to gain five or ten! I don’t give a shit what anyone says, this way of going about things yields results. My training journal is my proof. My body and the way I feel is the only testimony I need. I can’t wait for the cert next weekend!!!

david July 18, 2010 at 9:43 pm

So awesome!

Even worse than doing a cycle and gaining 10-15lbs is doing a cycle and missing your PR lift and gaining nothing. There was a guy on the DD forum the other day who went SIX WEEKS and missed his PR. He just shrugged his shoulders and said he’d give it another 6 weeks.

Fuck.that.noise.

Chad July 18, 2010 at 10:06 pm

I say the gurus can go f*** themselves. Gym movement and grip and rip have helped me start making progress again. I’m a mailman and walk close to 15 miles a day. So making progress in the gym can be really difficult. I have had issues with pain from working out and all the walking I do and GM has given me the chance to workout without pain and continue making progress. Along with little to no soreness the next day.

So I say gurus go f*** yourselves because I’m making progress doing GM and following myself!

Thank you Adam for being above the bullshit and working to improve everyday. And thank you for all the awesome information.

Randy Hauer July 19, 2010 at 9:57 am

I appreciate the passion, Adam, but I question some of the characterizations of what other, well meaning trainers would call functionality. Speaking personally here, teaching and coaching complex movement (like a barbell snatch for example) is a balance of what “looks right” for that individual and the results that are being produced. I’m all for what works, improves performance and reduces risk of injury. Sometimes a lifter comes to us who has gotten strong with sub par technique and progress has stalled.He will generally get worse temporarily when technique is tweaked, but he will get better than before if the tweaks are valid. Again, it’s about results.

Another factor is the athlete’s ability to accurately reproduce movement he is being coached on. It’s not as simple as someone coached you into an injury. How do you know you were actually performing as cued? And at some point, if the best you could do was resulting in pain, it’s your responsibility to say what isn’t working and why. And preferably beforehand.

Why is an internal focus a good idea? Not everyone is a visual learner, cognitive learner or automatically feels a motion. Motor learning theory provides lots of options for teaching and learning a skill. Automating the movement is the goal, how one gets there is an individual matter. Learning to shift attention and focus is a huge athletic skill. There’s a fundamental difference between the kind of focus used chasing down a fly ball and the kind of focus used pressing a barbell.

I will be interested to see what happens with athletes who are mature in training age who take up GM for sports specific training. Elites generally do not PR every meet, every month, every year much less every day. They are training to eke out the last few percentage points of their genetic potential. You can’t, with a straight face tell me that you can improve (for example) Matthias Steiner’s 203kg snatch and 258kg clean and jerk on a daily basis, monthly basis, annual basis or 4 year Olympiad basis. Why? Because GM still lacks a basic element of science: predictive power. If the theory is robust, results are predictable and consistently so. If you believe you can get Steiner stronger before 2012, suckas gotta know by how much and how you would accomplish that.

The PRs that count are the ones that the individual (or sport) says are important. For me the important one is this: I woke up and made it out of bed this morning. 52 years old and another day. PR every day.

Fredd J July 19, 2010 at 2:40 pm

Just a couple of thoughts on your post Randy, first of I have followed the GM way for almost 6 months and seen very good results and most of all it´s given me peace of mind to focus on what I want instead of searching for the “perfect program” and changing programs every few months or even weeks…

Ok so here is a thought I have regarding your comment on an elite athlete, if let´s say M.Steiner would base his training on biofeedback, still doing the same movements as before but just test what was best for that day and for how much and maybe find a couple of complementary movements when testing (“corrective movement” or stuff that he wouldn´t do normally) that would perhaps further help him lift more weight I don´t see why an elite lifter like him could not use biofeedback to lift more…
Isn´t small changes/corrections usually what an elite athlete often need to get to the next level?

Fredrik J/Sweden

Randy July 19, 2010 at 5:21 pm

Fredd,
For most elites it is practice. Lots and lots of practice. The skill and strength and loading that gets one to a 203kg snatch may or may not be sufficient to get 205. A PR, world record, whatever the case may have only come together on that one day never to be repeated.
The impression that GM gives is that you can go on making PRs indefinitely. That simply is not possible. Unless you couch the PRs in very generous contingencies and contexts: like a PR based on age for example. Or I never did that on Tuesday: “PR”. (In WL, a PR snatch at age 25 is going to be heavier than a PR snatch at age 55. A PR at 55 isn’t an absolute lifetime PR, but it counts as a PR because of the age context. Body weight is another filter. )

The “next level” for Olympians after a few years of elite competition is retirement from the sport. Why? Because from the pinnacle of performance there is no place to go but down. If one could PR every day indefinitely , Mark Spitz would be kicking Michael Phelps’ ass.

david July 19, 2010 at 6:01 pm

The earth is flat.

Kevin Greto July 19, 2010 at 6:29 pm

Dave, you’re thinking of the universe.

Christopher July 19, 2010 at 8:16 pm

” If one could PR every day indefinitely , Mark Spitz would be kicking Michael Phelps’ ass”

I wonder about that- given genetic potential, there might be a diminishing return on time invested, so, Mark Spitz could continually better his times, but maybe not beat out Phelps…but then again, I like to argue.

If you haven’t read it, Adam has a write up on how PR/Perpetual progress (I prefer the second terminology, as it seems there’s a hangup on the term PR as being a massive almost impossible to repeat goal instead of a measurable improvement) is defined in GM, and it bears considering to make sure you aren’t comparing apples and oranges in the terms.

Speaking of elites, I believe the good host of this site is shooting to be one in grip strength, and feats of strength in general. His experiences and perhaps how the next couple of years go could give insight into how applicable GM is in the long term as a training system and tool. It could also be interesting to see some experiements set up with competitors on masters or seniors circuits – I figure pros and olympians would be less likely to engage in a new protocol, especially if they’re at the height of their earning potential- would they start progressing from their current abilities, simply maintain (which if you believe you must decline as you age, would actually count as a plus), or face the same plateaus and declines?

For myself, I think that you can continually improve yourself, and even with age, through practice, you can improve skill sets and maintain or improve your condition.

Chad July 19, 2010 at 7:10 pm

Randy, In regards to athletes I think what Gym Movement can do is help the novice or intermediate athlete reach there genetic potential the fastest and safest way possible. Of course your gonna have diminishing returns on your lifting eventually. I don’t think Adam would denise that, and if he does I would like to hear reasoning on why. With elite athletes I think it would give them a way of training where they stay pain free and safe before competitions. Along with improvements.

Maybe GM would allow the elite athlete to continue competing in there sport longer than what the average age of retirement would be. And in any case that to me is a PR.

That’s my 2 cents.

david July 19, 2010 at 7:54 pm

Chad, for arguments sake:

Why do we accept diminishing returns as fact?

Christopher July 19, 2010 at 8:39 pm

David-

I think at some point a person just might approach their genetic potential, and as that’s approached, returns on time invested will diminish. That doesn’t have to mean progress stops, or that you start declining, but that you approach a true plateau. I also think this is the point that the most elite of atheletes may reach, and maintaining that intensity and time of training is difficult to do long term, if not impossible without being independantly wealthy. To me, that also puts them somewhat out of this discussion.

I also am starting to think that we have to look at how we exchange abilities as we age, and how progress can be defined to be occurring overall, if not in all the particulars. From the perspective of a martial artist, I know that speed and strength could eventually fade, but knowledge and skill can continually increase, such that I know some guys, one in particualar, who aren’t fast, and have age related problems (bad hips, knees, etc, we’re talking worn out and missing cartilidge here), but are still scary skillful, who you’d never want to go against. They aren’t the fastest, but they get there first with the cut/strike/evasion (timing, body placement, reading your opponent), and they are more biomechanically efficient in their motions, so that even if physically weaker, they are just as, if not more, effective in their actions.

So again, maybe it becomes a question of how returns are measured, and what the overall return on time invested is.

Ron July 20, 2010 at 11:45 pm

Randy,
“You can’t, with a straight face tell me that you can improve (for example) Matthias Steiner’s 203kg snatch and 258kg clean and jerk on a daily basis, monthly basis, annual basis or 4 year Olympiad basis.”

I think it is helpful to define the metrics being evaluated. You shouldn’t expect to lift more on a 1 rep max everyday. However, using other metrics I have come to subjectively believe and my results objectively indicate, that one can see improvements nearly every day.

Bear with me as I share an anecdote…
Last year I trained for an indoor rowing competition utilizing a training program and ongoing coaching developed by a two-time Olympic Medalist in the single man scull (rowing.) Let’s follow one common exercise during my multiple-month training cycle: 4 rows of 20 minutes a piece, while maintaining a “target heart rate.”
I know believe it is foolish to simply use the total number of meters rowed as a metric. Other metrics of efficiency should be examined. Average heart rate, number of strokes per session, average watts, etc.
Imagine two training sessions:
a) In one 20 minute session I row 4,000 in 400 strokes meters with an average heart rate of 140 and with 400strokes, and lactate testing showed blood lactate at 2.4 mMol.
b) In the next 20 minute session I row 3,900 meters in 380 strokes with an average heart rate of 130 and lactate testing showed end blood lactate level at 1.8 mMol.
Which is better?
I would need to come up with a method of calculating efficiency and effectiveness, but it might be that the second session is a PR despite falling short by the common metric of distance traveled in a specific time period.

GM has opened my eyes to evaluating progress with more dynamic metrics.

Regards
Ron Hekier

Mathieu Duchesneau July 23, 2010 at 9:35 am

Just a thought; Why are we even worrying about plateauing at these top levels while we’re not even there YET?

Let’s just keep PRing everyday, getting stronger and better and smarter and quicker and badass-er everyday, and if, IF WE EVER PLATEAU in any way, THEN let’s start worrying about it.

I haven’t stopped PRing yet, and don’t think I will before friggin’ long, so I don’t think it’s *even* relevant to ask myself that question.

To the better of everyone here
Mat

Joseph Reynolds July 21, 2010 at 5:36 pm

For my part, I have found myself taking my training in unexpected directions by following the GM protocol. I found out that I was trying to push a cart sideways for much of the past few years- I’m not naturally gifted when it comes to certain things that I was always pursuing, but it turns out I am pretty good at things I didn’t expect. That’s awesome! This PR business, this perpetual progress stuff… I don’t think that’s necessarily the most important element in the whole Gym Movement paradigm. I also get the feeling that this is all still in baby land… the movement has just begun! I’m excited to see the developments.

david July 21, 2010 at 10:21 pm

Looking forward to meeting you Joseph.

mike sheehan July 21, 2010 at 8:35 pm

HollER , its all elavator music to me i speak in progress, that is all i see everyday , stop talking start doing , where are all these world beaters that do not have the pouch to through up a video of there talents , fucking window shoppers wannabes pounding on a key board cause they are fucking wanksters running there mouth about things they know nothing about adam glass , mike nelson, ff brad, josh , dave , and the rest of the growing gym crew quality top notch human beings that have help me more than i could ever even imagine these are my friend s and they own a set of balls, fence jumpers leaders, show a little respect especially to adam cause he deserves it. i am the movement for sure getting better everyday and that will never change so if i mumble or make no sense that makes me happy two cause i am not a puppet on a string i am the movement and i will reach my full potential that i have never been so sure of it i never reread but fuck it i know how i sucked in school but as for sports those came easy to me even after a shattered pelvis and broken ball and socket, thousand stiches in my face and a shattered humerous looked like steven segal snapped my arm into preztel pieces . i will cut to the chase found adam and gym movement elimanate 90 of overall pain that would bring even a “kettlebell hero to his knees. fast forward one year with gym movement and adam and frankie and i do not want to pump my on tires with the goals i have hit let alone but the reduction in full body pain and that is in a 7 month period these guys are the best i am sick of fucking typing show me some shit realer than that i beg you . And maybe some of you clowns should stop worrying about how tight your glutes and stomach are and send him a thankyou email for defending our freedom in real life terms i have nothing but respect and admiration for adam because he deserves it, he is a great friend . you haters can pound sand

adam July 21, 2010 at 11:14 pm

Mike

This is the truth here man.

Mike was involved in a near fatal car accident where he was absolutely mangled, and doing the exact protocol found in Grip in Rip (he is the big blond dude) he has regained function, increased performance, made a huge body comp transformation, and most importantly reduced his pain to a huge degree.

I realise people are waiting for the “proof” of studies and research- keep waiting. Working with Guys like Mike and teaching them to fix themselves is what I am out doing. Soon Mike will the one out teaching others to do the same thing he did.

Deeds, Not Words.

Mike we will talk tomorrow brother

mike sheehan July 22, 2010 at 8:15 pm

adam

comimg from you that holds so much value because for a long time all i wanted to do was gain adams approval solely because i was a mooron and did not have the knowledge i have right now not because i was a follower but becuase he showed me what you can do with your body and how beastly he is . he was and i will pretty much admit that i looked up to him and respected him so much much because he is a leader in the gym and outside the gym i really looked up to him he is a great person. He did online training and when he took me in i was stoke. He taught me some bad ass shit and i was getting diseled , i was so happy never again did i have to think if he told me to do it i did no quetions i did it. I put 75 pounds on my already 465 deadlift in under 6 months , best part i barely deadlifted maybe 3 weeks out of the 6 months. Fast forward to grip and rip had to go adam ,brad, put on a show i was floored never learned so much after that i came home trying to process everything i knew i was part of the best training system ever your bodies biofeedback spend 1 month in bed rest in fucking pain and you get plenty of feedback , i knew this was it but holy shit was did this make sense. Then i though fuck what about those world class kb workouts adam sends me , i look so smart and cool showing them off these dudes are loosing money. I had a blank check i would have writen adam every year, the price what ever he asked i do not lie. He looked me straight in the eyes and said those workouts wont help you anymore, fly your own flag all movement can be tested. i was livid pissed you name he told me he will end up hurting man , he said get your goal and i will help guide you. well guess what 6 months later i am stronger leaner smater happier . i went fronm 220 of mucle in feb to 240 of muscle in may, lost the weight cuase everyone thought i was juicing and as of today i am 220 stronger than ever i am a railroad work er with a 95 year old hip , a plate in my arm and nerve damage in my left wrist and i get better everyday fucking day if i am not back sliding no one should adam , frankie, brad, mike t blow my mind i will kill everygoal i have this year no problem and i will follow these guys around until i open my own gym movement gym because i will learn from the best and not much makes me happier i work 40 hours a week raise a 1 year rarely sleep and do not lie gym movement works ask for help and think do not be so busy talking when you should listen. believe me if this was not everthing i know it is i woukd not have spent the one free hour of my day typing get better and think holy shit thanks for all you help got alot to say this week i fucking done

Aaron Corcorran August 6, 2010 at 12:06 pm

Adam, I enjoyed the post brutha! I ordered the DVD set yesterday and I’m looking forward to checking it out. Hope I can make it out to the Twin cities again one of these days for a visit.

Adam August 7, 2010 at 6:12 pm

Aaron contact me once you get your DVD set, I would love to get you on protocol- You will make epic progress

Aaron Corcorran August 7, 2010 at 6:28 pm

Progress of any kind would be nice. I train hard and try to train smart but on a few key items my progress has been stagnant or moving backward. In the last 18months I think I’ve only moved up my 2HP PR by 1# and my grippers are weaker than my peak close of a #4 as well. Injuries, and having to work around old and new injuries is pretty common for me and its really a PITA. I’m always interested in learning everything I can regarding training ideology and methodology. So I’m really looking forward to what sounds like a new take on this stuff. Kudos to you guys, for your willingness to innovate and attack training with a new and creative way!

josh August 8, 2010 at 7:31 pm

Aaron, I cannot WAIT for you to get started with this. You will be so far ahead a year from now that you won’t believe it.

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