The Sacred Cow of Strength Training – Does It Matter What We Call it? I Say Yes.

by adam on June 8, 2010

For most of the last decade, I have used a singular definition:

Strength is the ability to produce force under given conditions.

I believe I first read that in one of Pavel’s books.

Most of my training was suited to this wording – pressing weights, pulling weights, bending, levering, and tearing.

To this end, I identified “strong” people as those who could use the most resistance for those patterns. If you could deadlift 2.5BW you were strong. If you can bend a red nail you are strong, so on and so forth.

In the last year, I have met a lot of people who do some pretty incredible things which did not match that definition.

Rather than debate these people are “strong,” I have changed how I define strength.

Why mention that? I remembered a quote from Tony Blauer

“the clarity with which you define a term determines its usefulness.”

If strength is only the ability to generate force, how can I explain what I am seeing when I watch a parkour athlete jump off a 20 ft wall, hit the ground, roll, and sprint off without a scratch?

What about the kettlebell sport competitors who are lifting between 60-100% of their body weight overhead for sets up to over 100 reps without setting the bells down? Endurance sport? Have you ever lifted two 32kg bells for reps overhead without setting them down? Not exactly like a 3 mile jog…

Obviously I was missing something in my understanding.

Lets go back to the turning point which really got my mind on this topic.

In February my friend Marty Lotspeich did a body flow demonstration at a fitness summit. Marty can throw himself in to the floor and catch himself without using his hands or making a sound. Looks like he is about to face plant, then nothing. I was unable to do this in the same way from a 6″ off the floor start. Extremely impressive. That is only one piece of his demo, in short he did a lot of stuff I could not do. When I see things like this happen, I ask some questions.

Later that weekend, Frankie and Marty did a jiu-jitsu demonstration to show how differently Marty grapples. Marty played a very different game from what I have seen. Nearly zero force used to move and transition, which makes it really hard to feel him when he shifted weight. Because Marty produces so little force, he is extremely hard to predict when on the move, meanwhile he is sensing every move you make. I out weighed Marty by 50lbs, and I knew watching that demo that he would be extremely hard to work against because I was producing so much force all the time. Excessive force production has a cost in all endeavors.

In March we worked on athletic movements and footwork drills. The speed drills we worked on originated from Lee Tafts speed work which has been ripped by a bunch of people over the last few years. The foundation of the speed work is production AND redirection of force. We get hurt changing angles, speed plus change of direction at end range of motion is the recipe for torn up knees and ankles. I watched Chuck, who is nearly 50 years old with at that time a gout inflammation, turn and cut with the agility of a 20 year old soccer star. Clearly, I have missed something in my training…

This year I have invested work in learning the kettlebell long cycle clean and jerk. When I first learned to do it, it was super high power clean, hard jump in to the jerk…with little ass weights. I was getting smoked too fast, and that did not translate in to more strength or better movement.

Even 48kg bells is still light compared to what most men use for the BB jerk. As I took more and more time to learn about GS, I have learned to produce, redirect, and decelerate the force of the bells. Use the minimal effective amount of force to move the weights. This has allowed me to increase my rep numbers to a massive degree. Best of all, this pattern of movements at speed for high repetitions has given me greater yields in mobility than 6 months of joint mobility or functional movement corrections. That time I got one right…

So what do I now call strength?

“The ability to produce, redirect, sustain and/or reduce force under given conditions”

So is this important to you? Well maybe, maybe not.

I have heard people say things like,

If you have never put 300lbs overhead you don’t know anything about strength.

Well there are some problems here…#1 to my knowledge only a handful of the worlds most respected trainers and coaches and authorities can do that. I have met a lot of very successful trainers in the KB world and only a few of them could do that right now. Bad belief system. In fact the last person who quoted it to me is unable to lift that overhead at this time right now. So that’s a really bad belief system if I have ever heard one, considering at the time I was being told how qualified the person was to comment.

#2 We get in to all kinds of problems with these absolute poundage comments- If a 350lbs man lifts 300lbs overhead, is that more impressive than a 140lbs man who can lift 240lbs over head? Is one strong and one weak? I say a man lifting BW+100lbs overhead is strong. A lot of people would point out lifting under your BW is not strong…so whatever. Since nearly every strength sport has turned to weight classes, we all seem to be on the same page that weight lifted to body weight ratio is important.

If you can’t sqaut X, deadlift X, bench press X, you’re not strong

Well this is a fine statement, except of course that power lifting is not the only sport in the world where power and strength is employed.

Does this mean we are supposed to wave off the Olympic lifters out there Snatching 1.7 to 2X BW off the floor overhead? What about arm wrestlers? I know some guys who can break your arm faster than you than you will be able to hear the go commend, and they don’t ever squat in the gym.

I can list examples all day for this one…the bottom line is simple:

There are a thousand ways to be strong, and that means there is no absolute measurement.

“The deadlift is the ultimate strength lift.

Well is every person able to deadlift? Is it the best plan for every man and woman in the world? No, its not. There are a number of conditions which can make the deadlift a big no-no. Back pain affects 60% of adult Americans and deadlifting is not a universal cure all.

Besides, if pulling weight off the floor is the measure of strength, what about cleans and snatches? Oh wait, those are not appropriate for every man and women either.

If you don’t do X, you will never be strong.

I hope by now you have caught what I am throwing here. Every time we say something is an absolute, we find a counter to it.

Still- these examples would not take in to account other factors in my definition of strength.

So what is my final answer?

There may not be an ultimate example of strength. There is most likely no single thing I can think of which would leave an undisputed title of “Strong.”

No one man today can dominate all strength sports. There maybe a few who could come pretty close, but there is simply no way as of right now to have a man (or women of course) of rules PL, OL, WSM, GS, Highland Games, Arm Wrestling, stone lifting, hand sport, the list goes on and on.

So where will I leave you?

Pick a goal. Follow your biofeedback and achieve your potential. Define your strength in your own way. Borrow my mantra for those who wish to bother you- “piss off and worry about yourself.

If you do not know what you want to work on, think about this new statement- Maybe force production is not your best suit, what about redirection or reduction? Marty and I have found we are paired in opposition in many ways. I would not advocate he tries to emulate me, especially since he has survived several crashes on his bike which would have left me seriously injured because of his talents of reduction. Our interactions have left me inspired to learn new skills which have already paid off for my global fitness pursuit.

I suggest you count the beans against yourself, and only yourself. Where you are now compared to where you were in the past, and finally on to what you will become in the future. That maybe the closest to the ultimate which I can find. I believe the individual is the center, so is that individual better than before? If so than they are getting stronger.

I say the best are not defined by a single act, but by a continued display of excellence.

If this is true, than let us all examine our averages, not fixate on the highs or the lows.

As for me, I will continue to move in my own direction. If lifting 500lbs with your middle finger is not strong…well I suppose I may win the title over when I pull 600 sooner than later. And if that fails to impress…well go fuck yourself buddy :-)

My name is Adam T Glass, and I am The Movement. My question for you, Are You The Movement?

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{ 28 comments }

Tomas June 8, 2010 at 4:12 am

Do you have any experience in or better yet, do you currently train in any kind of combat training or something, Adam? I just thought because on your Facebook profile it reads “combatives”. If you do, I must show you something very unique.

The funniest part of this article was: “And if that fails to impress…well go fuck yourself buddy :-)

Derek June 8, 2010 at 4:55 am

I have thought about what is strength a lot. I have certainly tried to gauge my strength against others using many of the things you discussed and I am in total agreement. I probably will not be the strongest guy that I train with but I can continue to do things that no one else can do and will continue to PR every day.

frank berean June 8, 2010 at 6:14 am

This article is so true. Take me for example. I just recently pressed the 48kg for the first time in my life. I don’t think for my size that it is great. I weigh between 236 and 238. i do think going from cronic shoulder pain to pressing that much weight over head is accomplishment for me. I don’t look at other people progress and a measure of what i do. I look at what others do as whats possible and motivation. I know that a 20 kg bell use to hurt to press. This is huge progress for me. I care about pain and staying away from it. Although pressing the beast has been a goal of mine for a while i was not trying hard to reach it. I just happened, as adam said it would.

david June 8, 2010 at 12:35 pm

So badass dude.

frank berean June 8, 2010 at 2:22 pm

thanks david, It is so easy now, right. No more wondering if progress will come or not. Hows your training going. Any advances in the volumetric. I am interested in that idea. Before i pressed the 48 kg, i had one week of high volume with the 20kg, 418 reps per hand over three work outs. I wonder if that had something to do with it. I notice when i put the volume in, i can usally make a jump in intesity or weight.

Hunter Paschal June 8, 2010 at 9:20 am

Some good thoughts in there, Adam. I think a more broad definition for strength – like the one you provided – is definitely needed. I also like the whole ‘focus on your own goals’ and not worry about impressing others statement. We will make much better progress if we do that. Frank, did you use the biofeedback training to get that 48kg press? That is awesome that you hit that goal going from pain w/ the 20kg.

josh June 8, 2010 at 11:08 am

Hunter, I was in the same situation as Frank. The progression and fix was simply pressing when and how it tested well, with the weights that tested well, without running through an exhaustive mental checklist of whether I was pressing right. I went from a shaky, painful, noisy in the shoulder press with the 32 to a bottoms up press with the 48 in relatively little all. I did a stacked press with 52k much more easily than I got the 48, and am not closing in on 56k press.

Hunter Paschal June 8, 2010 at 11:46 am

Thanks, Josh. Yeah, I’ve been applying the programming from Grip’n'Rip 2.1 for about 2 weeks or so now to my training. I have been steadily PR’ing in rope climbing. In pressing, I have taken a step back (I am listening to the tests), to avoid excess tension. Mostly Bottoms up / double military tests well in that regard. The 48kg is my goal in the single-arm mil press. Will let you know how it goes.

josh June 8, 2010 at 11:55 am

Awesome. What is the most you have hit with the BUP so far? How much do you weigh? I would also add, as Frank did, that I was pressing much less frequently than I ever had before.

Hunter Paschal June 8, 2010 at 3:57 pm

Josh,

Up to this point, I have been BUP’ing very little. The most weight I have used in the exercise is the 24kg. That weight tested very well and few days ago and felt really easy, so I am hoping to set some PRs with heavier weight in that lift very soon. I weigh in at 200 lbs so that should not be difficult. I will say that I am a grappler and that I had been using the ROP press ladders in the past and maxed them out with the 32kg, but I did not like how tight I was getting in my thoracic area. With the biofeedback training, I am much looser and move better. And that is in two weeks. When I was training BJJ yesterday, I felt very loose and explosive.

frank berean June 8, 2010 at 12:04 pm

josh,

Is your pressing prety even on both arm or is there a big difference from left to right. If so are you doing different reps for each side.

josh June 8, 2010 at 12:34 pm

My left is weaker. I’ve also had a real struggle with occasionally injuring it due to tics, so it never quite gets the attention the right does. But it’s getting there.

frank berean June 8, 2010 at 11:43 am

hunter,

yes biofeedback got me there. I have been using it for about 4 and half months. Like josh just posted, you just press when it tests well. Pay attention to detail when you do things.

Ben Owens June 8, 2010 at 10:25 am

I find that I am almost constantly comparing myself to those around me. When I do this, one of two things almost always happens: 1- I think that I am way stronger than this guy and pat myself on the back (less often) or 2- I think that this guy is so much stronger than me and it sort of crushes me mentally (more often). Neither one of these things is conducive to me getting better. I just need to piss off and wory about myself.

Great article. I am looking forward to (hopefully) meeting you in SLC next month.

josh June 8, 2010 at 11:05 am

Ben, you’ll be there. I decree it.

Randy Hauer June 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm

ATG,

The original definition of strength still explains all the variations you cite in your definition. Newton’s Second Law of Motion pertains.
R

david June 8, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Great write-up

Gubernatrix June 8, 2010 at 2:33 pm

Great article, Adam! I love the way you open up the range of things we can do with force – other than simply produce as much of it as possible.

Logan Christopher June 8, 2010 at 3:44 pm

I’ve always admired the best of the best at whatever they do. Like the Japanese Zen concept of seeking godliness in fighting to tea ceremonies.

Though you may never attain perfection, going after it sure can be fun and exciting.

josh June 8, 2010 at 4:22 pm

Logan, you’re already perfect. Quit being so modest. You belong under glass at the Smithsonian.

Logan June 8, 2010 at 4:32 pm

Perfect, yes, but could be even more so.

Thanks…I think. Besides if I was under glass it would be hard to lift heavy things.

Steve Meidinger June 8, 2010 at 4:50 pm

“Force redirection”. This is something I’ve always felt I excelled at naturally but I never really brought it about in a training sense. Time to test and apply.

Very interesting stuff, man.

Sean Geddes June 8, 2010 at 6:35 pm

“I say the best are not defined by a single act, but by a continued display of excellence.”

Superbly put Adam, and past due that everything you bring up here got some attention. Awesome article.

mike sheehan June 8, 2010 at 7:27 pm

Adam
another great write up it all makes so much sense to me. My life my training all working in sequence once i got out of my own way found the proper exercises to use at that time the more i am getting, the less i am wanting its progress everytime. The less i want the more that comes my way use biofeedback listen to your body and you will shine. Take away ego and life gets real easy i love this shit i am getting better in every aspect of my life. My goal be better stronger faster smarter at 40 than i am at 30. Another goal never be hurt by way of my own stupiidness who cares how much you can lift right now progress is the name of the game outstanding thanks adam

mikesharkey June 8, 2010 at 10:41 pm

I couldn’t agree more. There are soooo many different kinds of strength. I feel like a broken record sometimes talking with my friends who insist that if I don’t squat heavy I will never be strong. go f*&^ yourself! i seriously doubt bruce lee could press 300 lbs, but he could probably break the fucking bar in half.

Kris Wragg June 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm

Measuring strength is like measuring intelligence, its just not possible. Sure you can think up scenarios that cover a lot of cases, but you will never truly capture all possibilities.

What use is being able to bench 2x your BW when you cannot wipe your own arse?

By the same virtue, what use is being able do particle physics when you are unable to communicate coherently with other people?

adam June 9, 2010 at 5:10 pm

I do think the measurement against ones self is the answer. The #1 person I am worried about it me. Why sweat what someone else is or is not doing if I am not making the gains I want?

Of course the alternative is people can spend all day fixated on others…I have not witnessed anyone have success with that yet, but like the little engine that could some people just keep on keeping on…

Mike T Nelson June 10, 2010 at 3:53 pm

Great stuff. I like force redirection.

The only person that matters is yourself. Are YOU getting better. YOU are the only one you can directly control.

I would rather get huge PRs and place dead last in a meet than place in first without any PRs.

Rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)
http://www.extremehumanperformance.com/

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